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		<title>By: Chuck Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33808</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chuck Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33807</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Vail cluster * is a &quot;dead in the water&quot; issue (bad analogy conceded)

The matter of the DA pleading the matter down notwithstanding his ADA originally charging as a felony (from what I have read) is a simple matter of prosecutorial discretion wrongly execised on the part of the DA

It is entirely a local issue that the citizens/voters need to consider (assuming that the DA is an elected office)

If anyone thinks complaining about it is gonna change anything, it ain&#039;t!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vail cluster * is a &#8220;dead in the water&#8221; issue (bad analogy conceded)</p>
<p>The matter of the DA pleading the matter down notwithstanding his ADA originally charging as a felony (from what I have read) is a simple matter of prosecutorial discretion wrongly execised on the part of the DA</p>
<p>It is entirely a local issue that the citizens/voters need to consider (assuming that the DA is an elected office)</p>
<p>If anyone thinks complaining about it is gonna change anything, it ain&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Khal Spencer</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33716</link>
		<dc:creator>Khal Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bicyclists are no different than motorists. If there are not consequences, there will not be compliance. For example:


http://www.edhat.com/html/california_stop.html

&quot;...Another popular, but illegal, California driving habit is the legendary California Stop, the act of slowing down but not fully stopping at a stop sign. The dedicated staff of edhat.com wanted to see how prevalent this behavior was in our fair city.  Maybe in LA, we thought, where rushing is a way of life … but in Santa Barbara? ...In a sample of 300 cars, the dedicated staff only saw 50 full stops (16.67%)...&quot;

Seventeen percent compliance? Looks to me like motorists are as bad as bicyclists. Not surprising, since both classes of vehicles are operated by the same human beings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bicyclists are no different than motorists. If there are not consequences, there will not be compliance. For example:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edhat.com/html/california_stop.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edhat.com/html/california_stop.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Another popular, but illegal, California driving habit is the legendary California Stop, the act of slowing down but not fully stopping at a stop sign. The dedicated staff of edhat.com wanted to see how prevalent this behavior was in our fair city.  Maybe in LA, we thought, where rushing is a way of life … but in Santa Barbara? &#8230;In a sample of 300 cars, the dedicated staff only saw 50 full stops (16.67%)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Seventeen percent compliance? Looks to me like motorists are as bad as bicyclists. Not surprising, since both classes of vehicles are operated by the same human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Hart</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33701</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cyclists need to educated also.  I see many cyclists  riding on the wrong side of the rode, not using proper hand signals and riding at night with dim or no lights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclists need to educated also.  I see many cyclists  riding on the wrong side of the rode, not using proper hand signals and riding at night with dim or no lights.</p>
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		<title>By: James Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33700</link>
		<dc:creator>James Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with #8 (Susan), and I have the same question as #13.  What has worked as far as new wording regarding legislation?

Here in Alabama, if you run over a cyclist, you can only be charged if you are drunk or on drugs, a police officer witnesses what happened at the time, or if it can be proved that the motorist has &quot;willful intent&quot; to kill you.  

That leaves free any motorist to be on their cell phone or texting away, kill a cyclist without so much as a manslaughter charge.

I count how many people I see texting on my 8 Kilometer route to work.  The lowest was 3, the highest was 34.  That is seriously dangerous distracted driving. In my 15+ years of bicycle commuting here, distracted driving by people texting and on their cell phones is the number one hazard I have to watch out for avoid every single day.

  Here in Huntsville, Alabama, we now have texting as secondary offense, but how is that going to help me or my family when a distracted motorists kills or injures me?

This needs to change and while the BASC and Alabike are doing what they can, what can the individual cyclist do to get the message across that the laws need to be treated equally for bicyclists in these situations?  What wording can we use to make our legislators pay attention and do something about this inequity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #8 (Susan), and I have the same question as #13.  What has worked as far as new wording regarding legislation?</p>
<p>Here in Alabama, if you run over a cyclist, you can only be charged if you are drunk or on drugs, a police officer witnesses what happened at the time, or if it can be proved that the motorist has &#8220;willful intent&#8221; to kill you.  </p>
<p>That leaves free any motorist to be on their cell phone or texting away, kill a cyclist without so much as a manslaughter charge.</p>
<p>I count how many people I see texting on my 8 Kilometer route to work.  The lowest was 3, the highest was 34.  That is seriously dangerous distracted driving. In my 15+ years of bicycle commuting here, distracted driving by people texting and on their cell phones is the number one hazard I have to watch out for avoid every single day.</p>
<p>  Here in Huntsville, Alabama, we now have texting as secondary offense, but how is that going to help me or my family when a distracted motorists kills or injures me?</p>
<p>This needs to change and while the BASC and Alabike are doing what they can, what can the individual cyclist do to get the message across that the laws need to be treated equally for bicyclists in these situations?  What wording can we use to make our legislators pay attention and do something about this inequity?</p>
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		<title>By: Khal Spencer</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33699</link>
		<dc:creator>Khal Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently, Toronto, Ontario will need a little traffic justice.

http://labikes.blogspot.com/2010/11/lucky-you-dont-live-in-toronto.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, Toronto, Ontario will need a little traffic justice.</p>
<p><a href="http://labikes.blogspot.com/2010/11/lucky-you-dont-live-in-toronto.html" rel="nofollow">http://labikes.blogspot.com/2010/11/lucky-you-dont-live-in-toronto.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Boyce</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33697</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blog suggests we contact our state legislators. We need two things from LAB--a list of which states have adequate laws dealing with motorists killing or injuring cyclists, and second, suggested wording for new legislation where needed. What has worked?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog suggests we contact our state legislators. We need two things from LAB&#8211;a list of which states have adequate laws dealing with motorists killing or injuring cyclists, and second, suggested wording for new legislation where needed. What has worked?</p>
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		<title>By: Khal Spencer</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33694</link>
		<dc:creator>Khal Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need to go farther than MADD or BADD. As Andy says, a single, wide-scope traffic justice program is desperately needed. We made a stab at this a few years back at Pro-Bike/Pro-Walk. Maybe the League can pick up the pieces, glue them together, and run with this.

http://www.bikewalk.org/tji.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to go farther than MADD or BADD. As Andy says, a single, wide-scope traffic justice program is desperately needed. We made a stab at this a few years back at Pro-Bike/Pro-Walk. Maybe the League can pick up the pieces, glue them together, and run with this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bikewalk.org/tji.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikewalk.org/tji.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drunk driving was also dismissed before MADD came on the scene. Perhaps we need a BADD (Bicyclists Against Distracted Drivers) as an organization to lobby for increased awareness and punishment for drivers killing bicyclists and pedestrians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drunk driving was also dismissed before MADD came on the scene. Perhaps we need a BADD (Bicyclists Against Distracted Drivers) as an organization to lobby for increased awareness and punishment for drivers killing bicyclists and pedestrians.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kruvand</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeleague.org/blog/2010/11/seeking-traffic-justice-across-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-33692</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kruvand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drivers who hit and kill cyclists here enjoy the same leniency. It seems sufficient to say &quot;I didn&#039;t see the cyclist&quot;, appear sorry, and no charges are filed.  One woman who killed a prominent CEO actually said she was looking in her purse for her cellphone for just a second when the cyclist &quot;appeared&quot; on a long, straight road......

Our city recently put up nice numbered bike route and Share the Road signs. Sadly, these mean nothing if the law doesn&#039;t enforce our rights by prosecuting drivers who are criminally negligent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drivers who hit and kill cyclists here enjoy the same leniency. It seems sufficient to say &#8220;I didn&#8217;t see the cyclist&#8221;, appear sorry, and no charges are filed.  One woman who killed a prominent CEO actually said she was looking in her purse for her cellphone for just a second when the cyclist &#8220;appeared&#8221; on a long, straight road&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Our city recently put up nice numbered bike route and Share the Road signs. Sadly, these mean nothing if the law doesn&#8217;t enforce our rights by prosecuting drivers who are criminally negligent.</p>
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