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	<title>Comments on: First Cycletrack for Chicago&#8217;s South Side</title>
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		<title>By: Khal Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khal Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cycletracks I saw in Bremen, Germany were accompanied by more complex traffic lights at intersections so that the protected bike lanes also had protected bicyclist crossing cycles. Design speed was relatively low, and Germany has legendary tough penalties for motorist infractions (recall Jan Ullrich lost his driver&#039;s license for a year and was fined 70 days salary, and estimated 660,000 euros, for drunkenly hitting a bike rack with his Porsche).
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2002/jun02/jun12news

I think one has to address the whole enchilada in order for these facilities to work as advertised but if they do work, they certainly have a clientele, whether we &quot;VC&quot; advocates like it or not. 

One does have to ask what happens at non-standard intersections, i.e., curb cuts, etc. What I have seen is separated facilities suffer when they have unmitigated hazards introduced since they obviously result in cyclists letting their guard down about traffic and vice versa.

The other question, what happens to roadway rights, is a good one that we have to ponder here in the States. In other words, what happens when the cycletrack ends? We will have to figure that out, since I think these facilities are here to stay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cycletracks I saw in Bremen, Germany were accompanied by more complex traffic lights at intersections so that the protected bike lanes also had protected bicyclist crossing cycles. Design speed was relatively low, and Germany has legendary tough penalties for motorist infractions (recall Jan Ullrich lost his driver&#8217;s license for a year and was fined 70 days salary, and estimated 660,000 euros, for drunkenly hitting a bike rack with his Porsche).<br />
<a href="http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2002/jun02/jun12news" rel="nofollow">http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2002/jun02/jun12news</a></p>
<p>I think one has to address the whole enchilada in order for these facilities to work as advertised but if they do work, they certainly have a clientele, whether we &#8220;VC&#8221; advocates like it or not. </p>
<p>One does have to ask what happens at non-standard intersections, i.e., curb cuts, etc. What I have seen is separated facilities suffer when they have unmitigated hazards introduced since they obviously result in cyclists letting their guard down about traffic and vice versa.</p>
<p>The other question, what happens to roadway rights, is a good one that we have to ponder here in the States. In other words, what happens when the cycletrack ends? We will have to figure that out, since I think these facilities are here to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: DS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still ignoring traffic engineering and elementary physics, eh?  

&quot;Let&#039;s hide the bikes until they pop out at an intersection and surprise the motorists.  Green paint will make it all wonderful.&quot;  

Cycle tracks are immoral lies.  They suck people in by promising safety, but they produce extra danger.  When are you going to warn people that they have to slow down at each driveway and street to watch for crossing cars?  And that if they don&#039;t they can be flattened?

And what ever happened to our right to the road?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still ignoring traffic engineering and elementary physics, eh?  </p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s hide the bikes until they pop out at an intersection and surprise the motorists.  Green paint will make it all wonderful.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Cycle tracks are immoral lies.  They suck people in by promising safety, but they produce extra danger.  When are you going to warn people that they have to slow down at each driveway and street to watch for crossing cars?  And that if they don&#8217;t they can be flattened?</p>
<p>And what ever happened to our right to the road?</p>
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